Coolant leak but no visual signs anywhere !!! please help

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We have a 2019 VOLKSWAGEN CRAFTER CR35 STARTLINE TDI

We have noticed over the past couple of months noticed the coolant being used at a rate of about a tank a day !

I have left engine running inside warehouse and overnight etc but no visable leaks anywhere so i have not got it in garage and again he cannot find any leaks also?

There is no water on oil dipstick or in the expansion tank either.

Anybody else had this ?

Thanks
 
Have you done all the usual checks e.g. pressure test, check for combustion gases in coolant. If you are losing that much coolant and there no sign of a leak then it may well be finding its way into the combustion chambers.

Do you see any steam from the exhaust?
 
Yep, egr cooler is leaking, disappearing coolant without a trace, and coolant system tested under pressure with no leaks.
I had mine done myself couple of years ago
 
Has anybody changed a EGR cooler on a RWD 140ps engined crafter? I’ve been told it’s an engine out job can this be right ?
Thanks
 
I have a 2019 RWD 140ps, with this coolant leak issue, ie not visible signs of a leak. I need to 1) pressure test the EGR cooler, 2) then remove it if necessary.

The Workshop manual instructs one to remove the engine for EGR cooler replacement, this Manc. TIKTOK shows just this:


... however the comments say otherwise, access from below, some suggesting removing gearbox.

I will try going in from the top - if someone has already failed - I am all ears.

I have previously removed an EGR Cooler from an older model crafter (2018), with engine in situ, which was in a similar position ie up against the bulk head.
I removed most of the obstructions on the top of the engine to get as clear a run up, and mostly working blind with mirrors and some extra tools bought - ie extensions, stubby ratched spanners etc, removed and cleaned the cooler.
I replaced it by gluing/grease captive held the nuts in the socket/spanner to replace - I literally had to get half in the engine bay to do it, a pig of a job, but done.
The 2019 has a lot more going on on top of the engine, the Mahle Turbo Cooler and all the coolant pipes need to be cleared, and the cabin air intake cowl, my concern is the clearance behind, to slide the cooler backwards off the bolt 'studs', although the TIKTOK comments indicate that should not be a problem (ie engine can be left in situ).

It is using just a few 100ml every 2/3 hours of motorway driving, so a small leak. it has just used 4 litres of coolant on a trip to the Scottish highlands from London, so roundabout trip with some diversions around 1300 miles.
How much damage is being done I am not sure, I presume the water content of the coolant would be similar to driving on a misty morning, but the ethanol in the coolant might be another matter, I will presume at such low loss its all being evaporated, there is no sign of power loss, white smoke etc, although regens seem to be happening quite regularly, I hear coolant is not so great for ones DPF ... this video explains a little what could be happening:


But guess it depends on how much coolant is being lost, some warn against hydrolock, but that would need to be much more than I am losing.

I initially put UV dye in the coolant - and looked in the dark with a Blue LED light, but saw no trace of a leak.

I have also ordered a coolant exhaust gases tester, to see if this is a head gasket issue, to help illiminate that from a diagosis.

This post suggests that with small leaks, the egr cooler is resealing when the engine cools, and if a hissing can be heard when the engine has cooled, when removing the coolant bottle lid, then that is indicative of such a crack in the EGR cooler that only opens when the engine is warmed up:


As an aside - who decided to put the ADblue/DEF pump and its vulnerable 'stalk' right at the bottom of the vehicle, and protect it with just a flimsy plastic cover, mine was cracked by the previous owner, driving round a quarry or similar - this is a commercial vehicle, I would have thought the underside would have been better protected, and delicate parts such as this placed in a better positionn.
 
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EGR cooler most likely, early ones most vulnerable but even the updated ones will fail in time, very thin metal matrix inside that fails, Don't do what i initially did before i replaced it which was to put any type of rad sealer through the water system !!
 
Looking at replacement coolers, all I seem to be being offered is a unit that incudes the EGR valve, can you simply buy the Cooler separately, split the old unit and fit the new (assuming you can get/make gaskets). Is the T6 and Crafter part the same, I am getting different codes at the end of the part:

VW Crafter 2017 Onwards EGR Cooler (04L131512CG)

ie the CG is replaced by something else.
 
Looking at replacement coolers, all I seem to be being offered is a unit that incudes the EGR valve, can you simply buy the Cooler separately, split the old unit and fit the new (assuming you can get/make gaskets). Is the T6 and Crafter part the same, I am getting different codes at the end of the part:

VW Crafter 2017 Onwards EGR Cooler (04L131512CG)

ie the CG is replaced by something else.
Not sure about your specific model code, take your part number to TDS or VW and they will tell you the latest version code, regards cooler only, their was some guy in Poland selling cooler only but no where else, In the end buy the complete unit and all the gaskets and new spec antifreeze for peace of mind plus 2 year warranty, My full kit including the 2 pipes was about £1000 parts only.
 
I just wanted to thank you all. I had the same problem with my van and here I found the best starting point so far.
My problem started slowly nearly a year ago with just a tiny bit of coolant disappearing. No problem until Chirstmas, another small refill and everything was fine but I started investigating visually before taking everything out and spend money. No results. I haven't done many miles since then and only recently after a short trip the level was down again and in a matter of 2 weeks I had to refill every 100 miles. No issue at all driving around, pressure was ok, no visible leaks etc...only the day I drove to the mechanic I could hear a buzzing noise while driving.
Well, it was the EGR indeed.
 
To update, I ended up taking the engine out, bit of a job, but once slid forward 12" or so - I could get access enough.
Some suggested removig gearbox and accessing from below, I may try that next time, if it happens again.
EGR cooler was at fault.
Fitted ManTGR part, had MAN part number on outside of box, but inside it was a VW part, almost half the cost ... VW sharp business practice evident here.

Why not simply make an EGR Cooler that just works in the first place, seems many a VW are plagued by this problem.
 
To update, I ended up taking the engine out, bit of a job, but once slid forward 12" or so - I could get access enough.
Some suggested removig gearbox and accessing from below, I may try that next time, if it happens again.
EGR cooler was at fault.
Fitted ManTGR part, had MAN part number on outside of box, but inside it was a VW part, almost half the cost ... VW sharp business practice evident here.

Why not simply make an EGR Cooler that just works in the first place, seems many a VW are plagued by this problem.
do you have the part number please or a contact ? I'm struggling to find it. thanks, AL
 
Here you go:

04L.131.512.CG

When I phoned the MAN service centre I quoted a Reg. no. off of a similar dated vehicle to mine i found online, not sure if they would have turned me away if I said I'd had a VW, but did it just to avoid any hassle.

This was the 3 pipe version, with the small pipe at the top, a heavy lump for its size.

I also replaced the small pipe which had rub marks, part No:

2N0.121.445

Consider dropping just the gear box, and working from underneath ... something I think would have been easier, you might still have to clear some pipes from around the back of the Air Charge cooler to get your hands in - if you need to do anything from the top, I recommend connecting the small pipe before fitting, a right pig if you try do it with the EGR cooler fitted, I had to adapt a pair of long reach pipe clip pliers, to go round the bend.

Let us know how you get on.

Images of the faulty part, and the new one below that, and then small pipe.

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